It is one thing to take them from us but to use them... [ sabo can't think of everything that everyone else might be capable of given the breadth of people here but he knows himself. it's just, his lack of understanding about something: ] Would you think that he would still be susceptible to the weaknesses and drawbacks of each of what he takes whenever and if ever he uses them?
[ it doesn't seem right if ish would be able to use everything without any drawback. it doesn't seem to fit the mold of exchange. ]
My ability to turn into fire comes with a drawback that standing water or seawater completely and immediately drains me of all of my energy.
[ so, if ish wants to make use of that, could they not exploit the weaknesses of their own abilities? ]
Stealing another's abilities is the first part but being able to use it is the more difficult part.
But perhaps... Given the way things have been falling into place, it does seem possible. The memory we all saw—he spoke about a coupon, right? A coupon followed by questions about ourselves...
[ were they given something for "free" in exchange for something else? their lack of abilities might be that thing but— ]
I can't imagine that I would have given up my fire for anything.
Who... [ now there's an important question to ask. ] Who and how many.
If we believe what he said about this being the first time that he's teleported people is the truth then the spells would be from people of his home.
[ ...but then would that mean he exhausted all of his resources at home for this goal of his? what could be this demanding? ]
Could these loops also be tied to what he's trying to accomplish? Not simply in the means to gather "resources" but for him to attempt whatever he is trying to accomplish without having to deal with his failures.
I believe so. I have to wonder if he is limited by time, and thus, has used the loop to escape that limit. After all, all of our states are reset when he winds back time.
[ Which leads into what else he found out— ]
Siffrin mentioned that Ish is attempting to save his goddess. This goddess just so happens to be his creator and thus, his mother.
[ me in tears because of some other reason that makes this very funny... but anyway we'll move on in favor of sabo tapping his chin. he has overheard that being thrown around plenty but to have it so clearly spelled out to him is nice. ]
Did Siffrin manage to learn what he's been trying to save his mother from?
Siffrin said that it sounded to them as if she was asleep. Neither alive nor dead. They believe that after she gave Ish magic, she may have fallen asleep.
[ And ever since then... ]
They also stated that he's an attendant and is part of her, or has a part of her within him. I can corroborate the attendant part, as he mentioned "other attendants" in passing to me during one of our conversations. I have to wonder, then, if he is also duty bound to ensuring her safety.
I remember him referring to himself as an attendant to me as well but we were talking about something else when he brought that up. He mentioned having siblings, too, didn't he?
[ during one of the trials... ]
Could it be the fact that she's asleep now due to giving up her magic to him and his other siblings? [ hmm. ] You mentioned it with your own magic—if you push yourself too hard that you'll exhaust yourself but will be fine after a bit of rest.
Do you think that could be the case with her? That whatever Ish is planning and needs our bodies for is wanting to speed up the process.
I do think it could be the case. Though I must wonder what his method here has to do with it. Emotions play a role, I believe, but beyond that...
[ He shakes his head. Not to mention where their physical forms come in, too. Sabo has a point with that too. ]
Siffrin also confided that Ish's goddess would be upset over the state of things. She would not have wanted it to be this way. Mayhap... that is an angle we can pursue, if need be.
[ He's not above guilting Ish into giving up, basically. ]
I don't want to overcomplicate what's before us, but it's hard to know what we can take as truth and what might be twisted to better suit his needs.
[ half-truths and all of that. though with the suggestion about using his goddess/mother as a means to pressure ish... sabo frowns at the idea. it's not that he isn't against it it's just— ]
We might want to tread carefully around assumptions made about his goddess. My enemies have tried to do something similar with me and things did not turn out well for them.
[ looks into the camera. no one knows of sabo's temper and that's 9000% for the best. ]
G'raha is definitely getting an inkling of that temper right now, at least, his words making him wonder if there are times when Sabo shows no mercy at all. ]
You do make a good point. He could very easily lash out at us.
[ And they need to use their bargaining chips carefully. ]
All that being said, I believe we are beginning to puzzle together the bigger picture. We're aware of the situation regarding his magic and some of his reasoning for doing this at all. We also know that he can, in some manner, be killed... though I daresay that it will come consequences.
[ Like this world getting destroyed before they can escape it. ]
[ if g'raha never asks sabo about his temper then he'll never learn about it....not that he would be proud to confess about how bad it can be. (and definitely not about how ruthless he can be if the situation calls for it.) ]
I agree.
[ he'll go over everything that they've just said just now and...hm. ]
I know previously we've talked about holding a meeting of sorts to discuss things, but I think things have reached a point where we must talk about what we've learned. No more hiding in secret.
If things are going to take a turn then we might as well get ahead of it.
![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
no subject
[ it doesn't seem right if ish would be able to use everything without any drawback. it doesn't seem to fit the mold of exchange. ]
My ability to turn into fire comes with a drawback that standing water or seawater completely and immediately drains me of all of my energy.
[ so, if ish wants to make use of that, could they not exploit the weaknesses of their own abilities? ]
no subject
[ But speaking of exchanges... he recalls their interviews, and it makes him wonder— ]
Mayhap we exchanged something with him. Something we no longer recall.
no subject
But perhaps... Given the way things have been falling into place, it does seem possible. The memory we all saw—he spoke about a coupon, right? A coupon followed by questions about ourselves...
[ were they given something for "free" in exchange for something else? their lack of abilities might be that thing but— ]
I can't imagine that I would have given up my fire for anything.
no subject
[ But who can say. They don't remember anyway. ]
I believe another avenue to explore is who he has taken this magic from. Are they former participants? Or others from his star?
no subject
If we believe what he said about this being the first time that he's teleported people is the truth then the spells would be from people of his home.
[ ...but then would that mean he exhausted all of his resources at home for this goal of his? what could be this demanding? ]
Could these loops also be tied to what he's trying to accomplish? Not simply in the means to gather "resources" but for him to attempt whatever he is trying to accomplish without having to deal with his failures.
no subject
[ Which leads into what else he found out— ]
Siffrin mentioned that Ish is attempting to save his goddess. This goddess just so happens to be his creator and thus, his mother.
no subject
[ me in tears because of some other reason that makes this very funny... but anyway we'll move on in favor of sabo tapping his chin. he has overheard that being thrown around plenty but to have it so clearly spelled out to him is nice. ]
Did Siffrin manage to learn what he's been trying to save his mother from?
no subject
[ And ever since then... ]
They also stated that he's an attendant and is part of her, or has a part of her within him. I can corroborate the attendant part, as he mentioned "other attendants" in passing to me during one of our conversations. I have to wonder, then, if he is also duty bound to ensuring her safety.
no subject
[ during one of the trials... ]
Could it be the fact that she's asleep now due to giving up her magic to him and his other siblings? [ hmm. ] You mentioned it with your own magic—if you push yourself too hard that you'll exhaust yourself but will be fine after a bit of rest.
Do you think that could be the case with her? That whatever Ish is planning and needs our bodies for is wanting to speed up the process.
[ or is it something else? ]
no subject
[ He shakes his head. Not to mention where their physical forms come in, too. Sabo has a point with that too. ]
Siffrin also confided that Ish's goddess would be upset over the state of things. She would not have wanted it to be this way. Mayhap... that is an angle we can pursue, if need be.
[ He's not above guilting Ish into giving up, basically. ]
no subject
[ half-truths and all of that. though with the suggestion about using his goddess/mother as a means to pressure ish... sabo frowns at the idea. it's not that he isn't against it it's just— ]
We might want to tread carefully around assumptions made about his goddess. My enemies have tried to do something similar with me and things did not turn out well for them.
[ looks into the camera. no one knows of sabo's temper and that's 9000% for the best. ]
no subject
G'raha is definitely getting an inkling of that temper right now, at least, his words making him wonder if there are times when Sabo shows no mercy at all. ]
You do make a good point. He could very easily lash out at us.
[ And they need to use their bargaining chips carefully. ]
All that being said, I believe we are beginning to puzzle together the bigger picture. We're aware of the situation regarding his magic and some of his reasoning for doing this at all. We also know that he can, in some manner, be killed... though I daresay that it will come consequences.
[ Like this world getting destroyed before they can escape it. ]
no subject
I agree.
[ he'll go over everything that they've just said just now and...hm. ]
I know previously we've talked about holding a meeting of sorts to discuss things, but I think things have reached a point where we must talk about what we've learned. No more hiding in secret.
If things are going to take a turn then we might as well get ahead of it.
no subject
[ Even though he finds a lot of value in secrecy. ]
There may be much and more that our other companions have to offer that we do not know.